OoJackpotoO 发表于 2008-11-18 21:52

招募英语翻译苦力一名300钱钱 (翻译点关于NERO的资料)

Sparda boinked Nevan.

Thus we get Nero.

Discuss.


This was a joke thread Akela made on the DMC4 board at GF. But then I started to wonder... it's really the most plausible theory on Sparda having a bastard, third descendant.

This is my theory taking off from that.

1 - "Two milleniums ago, there was a war; between the human world, and the other -- the Underworld. But someone from the Underworld woke up to justice and stood up against this legion, alone. His name was Sparda. Later, he quietly reigned the human world and continued to preserve harmony, until his death."

a) After this so called one-demon war against the Underworld and Mundus, Sparda sealed numerous Hell gates around the world, including the Temen-ni-gru where he locked the Force Edge on the other side, thus disguising himself as a human somehow since his powers were locked away along with the sword, except for the (Perfect) Amulet which he made crucial to keep for all that time as it was the key to unlocking its full power -- his very own demonic essence. From that day forth, he decide to use Rebellion and Yamato, with Yamato being his main choice for a replacement of Force Edge. He most likely achieved them from around the world when he was locking up Hell gates. Or maybe he even had them manufactured by blacksmiths whom were either demons like he was, or sorcerers.

b) During these 2,000 years, he remained a secret from humanity with the exception of cults and clans, such as the Vie de Marli. Even though he had sealed numerous gates, he couldn't possibly lock away all the demons on the other side, so he teamed up with those cults/clans/devil hunters and such, in an attempt to keep harmony. He met Matier, whom was probably still a middle-aged woman and a demon hunter as well. She was probably the leader of a great clan at the time.

c) Eventually, he met Eva, probably a few decades before his inevitable aged death. Before that could happen however, he allowed himself to tell her who he really was; his origins and everything, since by now he had become a legend, a myth, and even a fairy tale. They married, and Sparda being relatively human, they had two sons.

So far this is the most obvious as you can get. Now, the new theories play along with DMC4.

2 - Way before any serious wars started, Sparda was still a fully blown demon and had been born and raised in the Underworld in - probably - cruel and strict ways, in an attempt to raise a powerful successor to Mundus' position some day.

a) Being a demon and raised by demons, he was no doubt friends with some of the bosses we've met throughout the series; Beowulf, Bolverk and Berial, for instance, and he might've even "dated" Nevan. Alastor and Ifrit could've been friends of his as well...

b) When the real wars between humans and demons started spiraling out of control, Mundus ordered the strongest demons to attack larger cities, and Sparda was amongst the picked demons for the attack, even though Sparda did not yet know what humans were like and this attack was his very first entry in the human world. Somehow, he disagreed with Mundus' methods and the general brutality his friends displayed. He witnessed the slaughter of humans and freaked out, strongly feeling it wasn't right. Inevitably, he declared war on Mundus and anyone who would stop him. Mundus declared him a traitor and had every single demon at his disposal to destroy Sparda. But he trained him too well. Sparda whooped ass on everybody and then some. In the process, he refused to kill any of his friends, forcing them to accept defeat; he messed up Beowulf's eye, and found himself forced to maul Bolverk so much only his skeleton remained intact. Before he could reach Mundus, a new form of evil appeared before him, the despair of the defeated demons embodied itself before him. Sparda defeated the entity as well before doing the same against Mundus.
However, Nevan was the only demon who he had not needed to fight, since she accepted his decision to rebel, but refused to join his new found resolve. Somehow she still loved him, even though Sparda could no longer retribute the feeling.

c) After he married Eva and Dante & Vergil were already old enough to talk and walk, Sparda was still a protector of humans. Although there weren't as many devil hunters as he once knew, he would still join parties to destroy demons coming from the other side. One day, he met Nevan once again. She explains to him that after he left and sealed her along with the high rank demons, she refused to forget about him. She hated him for what he had done, and at the same time could not shake away the feelings she still had for him. Since she was a succubus, she took the form of a human just for him. She enticed him with romance, having the "just one more time for old times' sake" state of mind. However, she did not tell him she could shapeshift herself to the point of getting pregant like a human, as much as he could impregnate a human himself. After that, they parted ways and he never saw her again.

d) As time went by and his sons grew up, Nevan gave birth to Nero, living so secretly nobody ever knew she existed; even Mundus thought she was dead by then. When Nero was still a baby, she realized she could not raise him by herself. She still was a succubus and being motherly was not in her veins, even though it had been her decision to give birth in the first place. So, she did the next best thing, and abandoned Nero somewhere near Fortuna. I would say Credo's father would find Nero, and decided to adopt him and raise him. Eventually Credo took his father's place in the Order of the Sword and let Nero join as well.

e) When Nevan abandoned Nero, she returned to the Underworld, making up some story to Mundus, like she had been captive for some time and then escaped. And that's why Dante faces her later on in the Temen-ni-gru. She recognized him, but said nothing about the whole thing. Being reminded of Sparda, she let her guard down and ends up losing, or perhaps she knew she'd lose the fight right off the bat (lol near-pun), and then hints to him that she knew Sparda back in the day.


Next up, Nero's Devil Bringer. The following is a transcription from page 7 of the DMC4 manual.

3 - "A number of demons appeared suddenly from the deep within the MItis Forest and attacked the city, destroying a number of houses and inflicting slight injuries to citizens. As luck would have it, Nero was present at the scene. All demons were exterminated. During this incident, a private female citizen who was a travelling companion of Nero's, was injured. Nero himself received a minor injury to his right shoulder."

a) Assuming thus far Nero had never been injured by a demon before, this wound was unexpectidly infected somehow. The demon in question could've been high rank -- one that would've led the demon attack in the first place. Nero instinctively fights back, and wins, but not without being wounded and the Red Queen (his sword) broken. However, a "minor injury" does not justify getting a cast nor having your arm hanging from your neck. He probably lied, saying his arm was much worse, possibly broken, and preferred to have it casted.

b) As days went by, the infection would've gotten worse, but in a non painful or harmful way. His Spardan blood -- so to speak -- acted as a filter and absorbed any power traces from the wound, healing it, and then taking over his arm, transforming it into a Devil Bringer. Eventually he found out about it while he removed the cast. For the first time he realized his arm was not wounded and had gained powers with it. From that point on, he decided to keep his arm casted so not to reveal it to anyone.

c) Needless to say, having the blood of Sparda would just guarantee that his arm would notify him of danger, or anything else that would be related to his demonic blood, such as Dante, and Yamato. That gift allowed him to fix Yamato, which had been in possession of Sparda the longest, and so, his mere presence fixed it.

I'll tell you a better theory for the Devil Bringer.

Vergil was killed in DMC3, his body was destroyed at least. Then, Mundus, being an all powerful Emperor of Hell, he manipulated Vergil's soul and used it to animate a suit of armour which we saw as Nelo Angelo. This is backed up by the History of DMC in DMC4 and the fact that Vergil was able to take Beowulf's soul and transforming it into a weapon without the demon's content, so why should we not assume that Mundus can do the same and even more?

So, in DMC1 Dante defeated Nelo Angelo and his soul was shattered and scattered all over the place. A piece of his soul was later found by the Order inside Yamato, which is coincidently is the key to unlock the hell gate under Fortuna. Agnus then used the soul piece to power the numerous Bianco and Alto Angeles. Another piece was present during the forest scene where Nero was injured. Now, by a force of chance, the piece of Vergil's soul somehow imbued itself into Nero's wound resulting in the deformation of it and the increase of his powers.

Having a piece of Vergil inside him and mingling with his blood technically made Nero of the Sparda lineage. As for Sanctus' remark, I'd say it's just bad writing. As for his origins before the forest incident, Nero was just a regular human orphan.


See? This makes much more sense than your theory.

Dante's age through out the series is most likely this:

Sparda's death - 1-7 (nobody really knows, but we do know that the twins met their father)
Eva's death - 8
DMC3 manga - 18
DMC3 - 19
DMC1 - 28
DMC4 - early to mid 30s

Nero, on the other hand is much younger. I'd say he's 8-10 years younger than Dante, which means he was born around the time of DMC3. Long after Sparda died.






Discuss.


以上这些 关于NERO和YAMATO的..........8知道哪位能翻译下.......

OoJackpotoO 发表于 2008-11-18 22:24

大概了解了点...........感谢LS还是期待完整的翻译~~~~~~~~~

pp4346 发表于 2008-11-18 22:28

没办法,自从知道英语老师认识家父之后上课就基本没听过,反正肯定不会挂科....
能大概看懂已经是极限了.... 要学好英语啊....

saber320 发表于 2008-11-18 22:32

本打算用机器翻翻看……想着能凑合就行了,结果……
“施boinked Nevan 。
因此,我们得到尼禄。
讨论。
这是一个笑话线程Akela上取得DMC4板,石墨。但后来我开始怀疑...这真的是最可信的   理论,施了私生子,第三后裔。
这是我的理论起飞的。 ”
后面的就不帖出来了……自己基本能看懂一些,但要全部看懂……基本不可能了……

ljh158377 发表于 2008-11-18 23:49

果然和我想的一样,但是老是有人吧尼诺跟维吉儿扯上灵魂附生或其它的关系,我当时就反对,我就是说尼诺是其它魔物跟人产下来的半人半魔,看来还是我有先见之名啊

kamihito 发表于 2008-11-19 09:14

让本腐想起六级的阅读……
有空就翻翻吧~

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 10:23

一段一段的翻译(错别单词很多,给我翻词典带来很大不变……另,没润色,再另,这不是官方资料,是别人YY的):
前言:略
1,2000年前,人间和魔界有一场战争,然后魔界觉醒了一个路人甲(SOMEONE)独自反抗整个魔界军队,他的名字叫斯巴达。然后他开始统治人间并继续维护其和谐,直到他挂了。

OoJackpotoO 发表于 2008-11-19 10:28

原帖由 yagami1379 于 2008-11-19 10:23:00 发表
一段一段的翻译(错别单词很多,给我翻词典带来很大不变……另,没润色,再另,这不是官方资料,是别人YY的):
前言:略
1,2000年前,人间和魔界有一场战争,然后魔界觉醒了一个路人甲(SOMEONE)独自反抗整个魔界军队,他的名字叫斯巴达。然后他开始统治人间并继续维护其和谐,直到他挂了。
加油啊..............等翻译出来 你再单独把翻译发个帖子吧...

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 10:37

a)在这场一恶魔对抗整个魔界和Mundus(译注:1代BOSS)的战争中,斯巴达封印了人间的无数地狱之门,包括那个他封印自己佩剑Force Edge(译注:地球人都知道,不注了) 的Temen-ni-gru(译注:3代的塔)。在他封印自己的力量后(译注:这里没交代清楚,应该是Force Edge被封印后斯巴达的魔力也随之被封印)他把自己伪装成年人类并保留了用来解开封印的2个吊坠。从那时起,斯巴达决定使用Rebellion 和Yamato(译注:这和我了解到的不同,Rebellion应该是斯巴达一开始反抗魔界的时候用的佩剑,Yamato是他在人间战斗时用的佩剑,Force Edge应该是因封印Mundus而一炮而红赐名斯巴达……),实际上他更喜欢用Yamato。他好像是在周游世界封印地狱之门时获得它们的,也有说法称是魔界的同志(译注:指和斯巴达一样看不惯Mundus而决定帮助他的恶魔)或者术士帮助他制造了这2把剑。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 10:46

b)        在这2000年中,他一直秘密的和他的信徒和同志待在一起,比如Vie de Marli(译注:没听过这东西,4代的魔剑教团?)。即使他封印了无数的地狱之门,却仍然无法将所有恶魔全部打回魔界,为了保持和谐(译注:非恶搞,原文……)他和那些信徒/同志/恶魔猎人还有其他的一些东东组队杀怪。随后他遇到了Matier(译注:2代的老太婆),一个中年的恶魔猎人,一个伟大的组织的首领(译注:2代的那个守护者组织)。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 10:54

c)        最后,可能在他大限将至的几十年前(译注:好吧我承认我糊涂了,但是原文在我看来就是这个样子,水平不够吧),他遇到了Eva。在那个时候到来之前,他告诉了Eva自己的真实身份(译注:指他是一个恶魔的事实),即使他那时已经是一个神话了。然后他们结婚了,然后斯巴达就越来越像个人了,然后他们就生了2个小孩。

作者:以上都是很显而易见的资料。下面我要开始YY了。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 11:08

2、在战争爆发之前,斯巴达是一个土生土长的恶魔,以残酷和严格的方式被养大,并一直以Mundus的位子为目标而奋斗。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 11:14

a) 作为一个被恶魔养大的恶魔(译注:……),斯巴达毫无疑问的和我们曾经干过的BOSS是朋友,比如Beowulf(译注:3代拳套的那个BOSS,纯扯谈了), Bolverk(译注:不认识) and Berial(译注:4代火BOSS),他更有可能还和Nevan(3代吉他BOSS)约会过(译注:……),Alastor 和 Ifrit(1代的剑和拳套)也可能是他以前的朋友……

pp4346 发表于 2008-11-19 11:28

貌似后面的主要成分属于YY。 我还以为是理解错误...
为啥几年时间把D哥变成了饱经风霜的D叔,而Lady风采依旧...照例说恶魔生命长,发育应该比较慢吧...

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 11:46

c)在斯巴达和EVA结婚以及DANTE和VERGIL都能说话走路之后,斯巴达仍然是人间的守护者。虽然那时的恶魔猎人比起他知道的时候已经很少了,他还是经常参加那些剿灭参与恶魔的行动。(译注:这句有语病)。有一天他又遇到了Nevan,(译注:故事要精彩起来了)Nevan说自从斯巴达把她和那些高阶恶魔一起封印起来后,她一直忘不了他。她恨斯巴达所做的一切,但同时又控制不了自己不去爱他。作为一个女妖,她选择以人类的样子出现仅仅是为了他,她诱惑了斯巴达,两人“再一次享受了以前的时光”。(译注:就是OOXX了)。但是她始终没有告诉斯巴达她以人类的样子出现并且可以作为人类而怀孕,就像斯巴达虽然是恶魔但是可以把EVA肚子搞大一样……在那之后,他们又分开了,斯巴达再也没哟见过她。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 11:56

d)        在斯巴达离开后,斯巴达的2个儿子慢慢长大了,Nevan也产下了NERO(译注:oh,my goddamn god!我是一边看一边翻译的,但是我感觉我快要翻不下去了……),他们是如此隐秘地生活着以至于没人察觉到他们母子的存在,甚至连Mundus都认为Nevan已经挂在战场上了。在NERO还是个孩子的时候,Nevan意识到她无法自己养大他,她是一个女妖,虽然她决定生下NERO,但是女妖的血液仍然里没有任何母性(译注:扯谈了,能意识到这点说明母性无处不在)。所以他作了另一件很棒的事(译注:第一件估计是勾引斯巴达……)――她把NERO遗弃在了一个靠近Fortuna的地方。于是Credo的老爸就顺利的找到了NERO并带回家里养,在Credo继承了他老爸的位置后也开后门把NERO带了进去……

吃饭了,越看越恶心,这翻译估计要烂尾了

OoJackpotoO 发表于 2008-11-19 12:02

原帖由 yagami1379 于 2008-11-19 11:56:00 发表
d)      在斯巴达离开后,斯巴达的2个儿子慢慢长大了,Nevan也产下了NERO(译注:oh,my goddamn god!我是一边看一边翻译的,但是我感觉我快要翻不下去了……),他们是如此隐秘地生活着以至于没人察觉到他们母子的存在,甚至连Mundus都认为Nevan已经挂在战场上了。在NERO还是个孩子的时候,Nevan意识到她无法自己养大他,她是一个女妖,虽然她决定生下NERO,但是女妖的血液仍然

加油 快翻译完了............

pp4346 发表于 2008-11-19 12:36

............才注意到前言....
This was a joke thread Akela made on the DMC4 board at GF.
这是阿克拉在GF 的DMC4董事会说得笑话。
LZ被太当真,希望越大失望就越大,注意身体...

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 12:51

e)        Nevan遗弃NERO之后,回到了魔界,向Mundus编了个自己被活捉然后又逃脱的故事,所以DANTE在之后的Temen-ni-gru遇到了她,她认出了DANTE,但是对以前的事情只字未提。也许是受到了斯巴达的感召,也许她认为自己已经没有战斗的理由,她故意输给了DANTE,并提示他斯巴达以后将会回归。(译注:ACG fans?)。
下面开始是NERO的故事了。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 12:54

3、一些恶魔突然从MItis Forest的深处出现并开始袭击城市,在一些建筑被毁、市民受害后,NERO被派往该处负责剿灭。(译注:生化危机之恶魔猎人版……)所有恶魔被消灭,在这次事件中,一位和NERO一起行动的女市民受伤了,而NERO右肩也受到了一些小伤害。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 13:10

a)假设当时NERO没有受伤,或者这个伤并不足以影响到NERO(译注:要么作者脑残,要么译者脑残……反正没说清楚)。一个被怀疑是那些入侵恶魔的首领的高阶恶魔出现,NERO本能地反击并获胜,但没有受伤,Red Queen也没有毁坏。不管如何一点“小伤”是不足以让NERO的右手被包起来挂到脖子上,所以他在撒谎。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 13:11

b)过了一段时间,这个伤口开始以一种无疼痛、无伤害的方式恶化。(译注:作者是脑残!)但是NERO体内的斯巴达之血把伤害过滤并吸收,并治疗了伤口,随后把NERO的整个手臂转化成了Devil Bringer。事实上他一取下纱布就发现了这一点,他第一时间就知道他的手并不是受到了伤害而是获得了力量,从那时起,他就决定继续把手挂在脖子上,不让任何人知道。
c)需要说明的是,斯巴达之血能够保证他的手臂提前向他提示危险,或者其他和恶魔有关的事,比如Dante,、Yamato之类的。这个礼物让他修复了Yamato――那把斯巴达的佩剑。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 13:11

下面作者号称其针对Devil Bringer有一套更好更YY的理论

作者号称VERGIL在3代已经挂了,身体被毁灭(译注:我不得不说作者太白了)。然后MUNDUS利用其灵魂造了一副盔甲名为Nelo Angelo,因为作者看到DMC3里VERGIL都可以把Beowulf的灵魂变成武器,所以作者认为无比强大的MUNDUS更有这个能力。
所以,在DMC1里面dante把Nelo Angelo打的魂飞魄散,其中一小片灵魂藏在yamato里,后来被教团找到,后者认为该刀是打开地狱之门的钥匙。Agnus更是利用这些灵魂碎片来强化Bianco 和Alto Angeles;另一块灵魂碎片就在NERO战斗的森林中,看到NERO受伤就马上跑到伤口里去准备占据身体顺便为其提供力量……
VERGIL的灵魂碎片和NERO的血融合使得NERO拥有了斯巴达血脉,就像教皇说的那样,我不得不说这个设定很脑残,因为NERO去森林时还是一个真真正正的人类孤儿。(译注:我也不得不说作者确实很脑残)
最后说一下dante的年龄
斯巴达死的时候(译注:脑残作者): 1-7岁(这是作者自己打的括号:没人真的知道,但是我认为他们2个见过自己的父亲)
Eva死的时候:8岁
DMC3 18
DMC1 28
DMC4 30多
至于nero应该是很年轻的,我认为他要比dante年轻8到10岁,这说明他在dmc3时还没出生,更不说斯巴达死的时候了。

yagami1379 发表于 2008-11-19 13:16

翻译完了,虽然前言已经说了是作者在YY,但是我看了一两段之后天真的认为这个作者YY的比较靠谱,谁知道真正的脑残是无比强大而且及其善于伪装。
看完全文,唯一感觉是该作者思维混乱、词不达意、前后矛盾、一无是处……本来后面超级YY部分不想翻了,但是为避免烂尾,还是贴出来让大家共同鄙视作者。
另回20楼,这是该脑残作者看了那个笑话之后产生的脑残联想……

pp4346 发表于 2008-11-19 13:31

我家离心理医院很近,LZ可以介绍作者来找我....
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